taxes on horse power??????????

[dojawa]

I know I like the feel of that pull when you step on it.
As I am sure most everybody does.
But every year the vehicles are coming out with more & more hp.

There is a luxury tax on vehicles so why not a tax on horsepower.

[airbalancer]

Would trucks be included, at what RPM would you measures the HP for the taxes?

[amorak]

I didn't know Ralph Nader came to Canada?!??

[The General]

There is a supplemental tax on cars with a displacement of 3.99L or more in Quebec. That, in my opinion, is an easier way to measure output and charge fees.

It does not mean that I agree with it though...

[amorak]

There is a supplemental tax on cars with a displacement of 3.99L or more in Quebec. That, in my opinion, is an easier way to measure output and charge fees.

It does not mean that I agree with it though...

Ohh boy General.... If they instituted such a tax out here in Alberta, heads would roll! All the pickup truck drivers who get second mortgages to buy top of the line one tonne trucks to drive around downtown Calgary would be upset!

[The General]

Ohh boy General.... If they instituted such a tax out here in Alberta, heads would roll! All the pickup truck drivers who get second mortgages to buy top of the line one tonne trucks to drive around downtown Calgary would be upset!

I can see the uproar now!!

[woohoo!]

Before you guys panic, let's see how minimal this increase is in QC.

4.0L engine: $30 more/year for registration
4.1L engine: $40 more
4.2L engine: $50 more
4.3L engine: $60 more
4.4L engine: $70 more
4.5L engine: $80 more
4.6L engine: $90 more
4.7L engine: $100 more
4.8L engine: $110 more
4.9L engine: $120 more
5.0L engine: $130 more
5.1L engine: $140 more
5.2L engine and up: $150 more

It's a good step forward, but it penalises people who need a pickup for work as much as the ones driving around in Hummers as a status symbol. That's what I find dumb

[woohoo!]

Why not a power-to-weight ratio tax?

[The General]

Before you guys panic, let's see how minimal this increase is in QC.

4.0L engine: $30 more/year for registration
4.1L engine: $40 more
4.2L engine: $50 more
4.3L engine: $60 more
4.4L engine: $70 more
4.5L engine: $80 more
4.6L engine: $90 more
4.7L engine: $100 more
4.8L engine: $110 more
4.9L engine: $120 more
5.0L engine: $130 more
5.1L engine: $140 more
5.2L engine and up: $150 more

It's a good step forward, but it penalises people who need a pickup for work as much as the ones driving around in Hummers as a status symbol. That's what I find dumb

You should add that this applies in every transaction for cars from the 1995 model year and on. They are doing this to encourage people to buy smaller displacement cars...

A power/weight ratio fee is logical but I don't like it. When I get my STi with a "small" 2.5L engine, I don't want to pay extra fees...

[woohoo!]

Before you guys panic, let's see how minimal this increase is in QC.

4.0L engine: $30 more/year for registration
4.1L engine: $40 more
4.2L engine: $50 more
4.3L engine: $60 more
4.4L engine: $70 more
4.5L engine: $80 more
4.6L engine: $90 more
4.7L engine: $100 more
4.8L engine: $110 more
4.9L engine: $120 more
5.0L engine: $130 more
5.1L engine: $140 more
5.2L engine and up: $150 more

It's a good step forward, but it penalises people who need a pickup for work as much as the ones driving around in Hummers as a status symbol. That's what I find dumb

You should add that this applies in every transaction for cars from the 1995 model year and on. They are doing this to encourage people to buy smaller displacement cars...

A power/weight ratio fee is logical but I don't like it. When I get my STi with a "small" 2.5L engine, I don't want to pay extra fees...

Any why not? If you really need 300 hp, it's because you're gonna floor it all the time and waste fuel, not to mention burn rubber while you're at it.

Be more sensible and get a 2.0L WRX. With the STi, you'll just end up backing up into my car in the parking lot with that mammoth rear wing blocking your view. :sconf:

[hashole]

Wow I did not know QC had instituted such a policy!!! Good on them for actually doing something but really how many people do you think will change their purchasing choice 'cause they have to pay 30 or 50 bucks extra to register their new $50 grand baby?? Its an annoyance not a hindrance.

I dont think taxing HP is the way to go 'cause for one it will never fly politically. I can just hear the ultra right-wingers making this a debate about government wanting to control more of our lives. Education has to be a major component of any strategy. The debate should be about how much C02 and smog forming particulate we produce. So I would suggest hefty taxes above a set threshold of CO2 and smog particulate produced by our cars. And I would start with everyone who uses their car costs/lease as a deductible for income taxes. Here's my pitch...'Its great that you use your car to generate economic activity but guess what...if you are driving yourself around town in a Hummer...you can have your tax deduction but you also pay pollution tax....conversely you can ride a fuel efficient car, save on fuel costs, have a tax deduction, and NO POLLUTION TAX FOR YOU!!!

I think this would lead to consumers asking how much CO2 and smog particulate does each model of a new car produce before they make the purchase. Much like they want to know the HP and fuel comsumption figures right now. This would lead to publication of CO2 and paticulate emission data for every new car review.....like it is right now in the UK. Then we can have a debate about the greenhouse effect and the effect of smog on our health and what it costs our healthcare system. Thats the debate we want as opposed to more vs. less government.

[woohoo!]

Good idea!! ;-)

[The General]

hashole, if that's your real name... You make an excellent point. Those that want to pay should pay through the nose. You are also right about the CO2 and smog particulate ratings. They exist so why not show them to potential buyers.

[hashole]

Thanks guys :)

And no hashole is not my real name..its Farhan.

I think something similar is in place in the UK...it would be good to know if anyone has further details on their system. General...i know the CO2 and smog particulate ratings are available in europe...are they also available in Canada 'cause I have never seen them in Canadian car reviews. Are the manufacturers required to provide the figures or does Transport Canada do the testing??

[The General]

Natural Resources Canada's fuel consumption guide has a column for CO2 emissions per year.

[woohoo!]

That's something that we are planning on adding in our technical specs for 2005 models and up... maybe in a couple of weeks. :lol:

[hashole]

Thats great!! I think it will be a value added feature to the site. This might also be the first site to do it this side of the pond :thumb:

[woohoo!]

It's stats that have been overlooked for TOO long!! ;-)

[deepthnkr_ca]

Why on earth do we need another tax on the choices we make? Let the market decide...and for once try to keep Canada from becoming more like the tongue-in-cheek "Solviet Canuckistan" that American Pat Roberts is saying our country is aspiring to! There already is a HP tax...can any lefty wingnut possibly discern what that might be? Approximately 60% of the price of gas is tax...so if you burn more gas because you have a heavy foot....you pay more tax.

Just stop with the regressiveness of piling on stupid taxes. Keep it simple and it will work. That means for the most part the markets will work it out. If higher fuel consumption is actually having a REAL impact on society (i.e. our environment, health etc.) there will be a measurable financial effect (i.e. damages to cleanup) which in turn will make having things like bigger engines JUSTIFIABLY more expensive. Then it won't be due to some government's deceptive policies based on weak theories designed more to quickly drain our wallets than to keep us from draining gas tanks more quickly. Ever know of any government repeal a tax...no matter how lame? I wonder if you can tax government waste too based on size?

[amorak]

amazing.... Right-wing crap from Calgary, who'd have thought it :roll:

(before you flame me for being a western-bashing ontarian, look at my location).

I don't like our (Alberta's) reputation as a stupid, hick, cowboy province only concerned with lining our pockets with oil revenue, but when I see posts like this, I can see why...

Mention the word tax and people explode around here! I don't know about you, but the world is changing and I want there to be something half-ass decent left for my future children.

[woohoo!]

Why on earth do we need another tax on the choices we make? Let the market decide...and for once try to keep Canada from becoming more like the tongue-in-cheek "Solviet Canuckistan" that American Pat Roberts is saying our country is aspiring to! There already is a HP tax...can any lefty wingnut possibly discern what that might be? Approximately 60% of the price of gas is tax...so if you burn more gas because you have a heavy foot....you pay more tax.

Just stop with the regressiveness of piling on stupid taxes. Keep it simple and it will work. That means for the most part the markets will work it out. If higher fuel consumption is actually having a REAL impact on society (i.e. our environment, health etc.) there will be a measurable financial effect (i.e. damages to cleanup) which in turn will make having things like bigger engines JUSTIFIABLY more expensive. Then it won't be due to some government's deceptive policies based on weak theories designed more to quickly drain our wallets than to keep us from draining gas tanks more quickly. Ever know of any government repeal a tax...no matter how lame? I wonder if you can tax government waste too based on size?

I heartfully agree that the last we need is another *%?&?$%? tax. And maybe the fact that gas prices have gone up will only discourage people from continuing to buy SUVs a few years down the road. But right now, there are too many gas-guzzlers out there and we've got to act FAST. Our planet is degrading too rapidly, and we have the Kyoto Protocol to bind to also.

Something that SHOULD be done, however, is the governement could offer a tax credit or something for buying a new or recent car, and send off old polluting heaps to the scrapyard. The goal is not necessarily to get Ford Excursions and Ferraris off the road, but to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Imagine how a 1981 Grand Prix with a broken catalyst can pollute our precious air.

[apl16]

it would be better if they gave rebates for peps buying cars with less than 2L. what a surprise! another progressive idea from quebec and a regressive one from texas nord.
if you guys ever separate can move there? :)

[woohoo!]

it would be better if they gave rebates for peps buying cars with less than 2L. what a surprise! another progressive idea from quebec and a regressive one from texas nord.
if you guys ever separate can move there? :)

Sure! We should separate sometime in 2025. :roll: