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jww
01-06-2006, 04:37 AM
In the quest to find our next vehicle, we test drove a 5-spd manual Jetta TDI with the leather luxury package. I had been purposely avoiding the Jetta at the advise of a good friend who is a former Jetta owner. He loved to drive the car, but had some issues with longer-term reliability and ball joints. He told me that if I drove a Jetta I would fall in love with the driving aspects of the car and tend to put aside reliability issues for the heat of the moment. Well, I am sorry to say that I did indeed succomb to the tempation and found that he was dead to rights.

I found the Jetta to be one of the most exciting vehicles I have ever driven. It sticks to the road like glue, and with the TDI has tons of low-end torque for passing and acceleration. I found it easy to throw around corners without tossing my occupants around in the back seat. The controls are a bit confusing at first and I couldn't reallly get the knack of the cruise control stalk placed in a funny location behind the steering wheel and to the lower left. I imagine that I could get used to that over time.

In essentials, the Jetta is typically european in feel. People more desirous of being insulated from the road should not drive this car. It is very tightly sprung, and you do tend to feel many of the bumps you wouldn't in most japanese or north american cars. However, with the taughtness of the drive came a wonderful feeling of being inextricably connected with the road. You felt like the car was an extension of your driving - kind of like wearing a pair of great fitting running shoes. Shifts were a bit notchy, but the throws were short and sure. Shifting quickly on a winding road, I had no trouble at all finding the right gear. In fact, after a few minutes, I found the notchiness to the shifter to be a rather confidence boosting thing - confirming each and every shift as I rowed from gear to gear.

The TDI has such good get-up-and-go. It has become a legendary engine which gets better and better with age. I have never driven a diesel before, and found it's throaty sound to be somewhat reassuring as I revved the engine up towards the redline. I plan to drive a petrol version this weekend to compare the two.

It was a chilly and damp day yesterday with light snow falling. I found that the 5-stage heated leather seats were the best I have experienced in any car which I have driven. You set them on high for a few minutes to cut the chill, then lower the setting for general comfort during normal driving. Very nice indeed.

The steering wheel felt a bit thick at first. It is padded leather affair, which I found my hands kind of sinking into over time. It was actually quite a nice feel once I got used to it.

A couple of negatives - when you adjust the arm rest in the centre console, it covers the emergency brake. This means that in order to engage the brake when I parked, I had to move the arm rest out of the way by either lifting it up or pushing it back entirely. My 15 yr old daughter didn't find the back seat as comfortable as she would like. Having said this, we had just test driven an Acura CSX, which has just about cornered the market in rear seat comfort levels. One can see the issue when looking at the profile of the car itself. The rear is raised considerably, and as a result the back seats sit up a little more straighter than other cars. However, the bigger side bolsters on the rear seat meant that she wasn't tossing around either. Also - there is something of a blind-spot directly behind the left shoulder due to the placement of the driver's seat and B pillar. This would take some cautious getting used to indeed.

I really like the interior - and while not quite as fully ergonmic as the Acrura CSX, it is still a typical VW work of art. Materials are of very high quality, with marvelous fit and finish throughout the cabin. The middle console and glove compartment both boast AC cooling which means when the AC is on, they direct cooled air around these storage areas. This is similar to a feature of the Nissan X-Trail, but has yet to be proven to be of any real value (besides, it's winter now, who cares about cooling storage bins at this time of year?). The general level of convenience kit is very high including rolling door locks that are dealer programmable for on or off, as well as auto-up/down front windows controlled from the key fob. And speaking of the key fob, it really isn't a fob at all - it's a large key that retracts back into the fob. Quite gimmicky and quite useful - no more will the end of a car key put "...a hole in my pocket, Dear Liza, Dear Liza" when shoved in.

I fear that by driving the Jetta I have been tempted to pass over into the Dark Side. Yes, I am tempted to buy one very much from this experience reliability history notwithstanding.

What a to-do. Do I follow my driving heart and lay caution to the wind or do I come back down to earth and shake my head to remind myself that there are reliability risks.

Reportedly the reliability issues of the 2000-2003 models had been rectified in 04 models and later. The expectation is that this improvement continues in the new 06, however, J.D. Power still isn't a fan of VW. I have done some significant research with VW owners whom I know and find that the reliability issue is a mixed bag. Some people wouldn't drive anything else, while others love the driving experience but find trips to the dealership a bit too frequent for their liking.

No matter how you cut it - this is one heck of a great car to drive.

jww

The General
01-06-2006, 08:27 AM
The Jetta is the Dark Side. It is very attractive. People lust over it. People want it. Once they get it, they are traped. Bound to do what the Master VW says! Take me to the dealer! My dash lights are on again. My electrical bugs will control you! Very much like the metaclorians control those that are weak-minded.

Don't do it. Or, do it but get the car as a second car.

I am surprised though that your family did not like the Legacy... To bad really, I think it is one of those hidden gems in the car-world that need to be discovered. Have you looked into the Sonata?

P.S. Jeez do you write alot!

jww
01-06-2006, 11:43 AM
The Jetta is the Dark Side. It is very attractive. People lust over it. People want it. Once they get it, they are traped. Bound to do what the Master VW says! Take me to the dealer! My dash lights are on again. My electrical bugs will control you! Very much like the metaclorians control those that are weak-minded.

Don't do it. Or, do it but get the car as a second car.

I am surprised though that your family did not like the Legacy... To bad really, I think it is one of those hidden gems in the car-world that need to be discovered. Have you looked into the Sonata?

P.S. Jeez do you write alot!
I have gotten over the Legacy - although I didn't let go too easily. Insofar as the Hyundai goes, we simply don't like the Sonata - it doesn't feel sporty enough - but rather sedate and boring to drive. Besides - 5-speed manual transmission is an absolute must for us.

I think we have narrowed it down to the Acura CSX (a marvelous car) and the Jetta (just too doggone tempting to ignore) at this point.

And yes - I do get carried away when I put fingers to the keyboard. Just can't help it sometimes. Sorry for any boredom caused by extraneous trips to the forum. :oops:


jww

tarmorn
01-06-2006, 11:50 PM
I just bought at the end of December the Jetta 2006 2.0T ... what a marvel ! The 2.0T engine is a beauty to drive, especially with the 6 speed manual. Short throw shifter, butterry clutch, amazing !

I got the car with the Luxury package that includes a sporty suspension, 17" wheels. The interior is cloth, which I find better because it grips you in your seat.

I used to own a '99 Passat GLS with the 1.8T engine with leather (practically no issues), and the Jetta is a fine replacement, with practically as much space inside. Just a little bit more snug, more agile on the road.

I tried the CSX and I did not like the dash configuration. The CSX had nowhere as much punch as the 2.0T engine, but I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges. The Sonata lacked something which I cannot describe. I guess I'm hooked on VW styling !

Go for it, I think VW has been hit on the head so much about reliability that I would be surprised if they will still have problems with the cars. At least I cannot see up to now any build issues with the Jetta.

say
01-07-2006, 01:36 AM
i like both CSX and Jetta, and i think the CSX is much more reliable than Jetta, (don't get me wrong, Jetta has its character, and i like it.) however, the only 2 main concerns that i have for Jetta is 1) reliablity, 2) its rear looks too similiar to Corolla

jww
01-08-2006, 08:19 AM
We test drove a 2.5l petrol Jetta yesterday. As expected, the engine doesn't have as much pull as the TDI. We are leaning towards the diesel and will pit that against the CSX in our final negotiations over the coming week or two.

jww

The General
01-12-2006, 09:15 AM
Go for it, I think VW has been hit on the head so much about reliability that I would be surprised if they will still have problems with the cars. At least I cannot see up to now any build issues with the Jetta.

I hope you are correct. The same thing was said after the transition between the mk3 and mk4 and everyone knows what occured...

I would still wait out the mk5 Jetta for another 6 months.

jww
01-12-2006, 11:18 AM
We are definately leaning towards the Jetta TDI at the moment - the Acura dealers we have visited are just plain arrogant an I am more than a bit annoyed with their 'hoyti-toyti' attitude. Besides - they simply aren't willing to talk turkey to do a deal. Guess they must be selling cars by the boatload 'cos they aren't acting like they want our business.

I have spoken with several Jetta owners personally and on the internet, and I would say that 75% of those I have polled are more than happy with the reliability of their cars. The big unknown for me is that we don't have a relationship with the dealer - it's essentially an unknown. Anyone with experience with Ottawa's Bytek VW service department? They have been very helpful so far, but I am not calling to complain about a problem either.

Anyway - there is still a chance we might give Acura one last kick at the can yet, but I think we are going to be way too far apart in pricing to be able to consider the CSX any longer. Too bad, as I really liked it, but I also am on record for liking the Jetta.

jww

carenw
01-13-2006, 07:41 PM
Oh so walk away from VW products. I bought an EL premium 2005 because my Beetle couldn't wait another three months until the intro of the CSX. I have crossed back from the dark side and have never looked back. Only service so far are required oil changes. Car handles great comfy has th eleather, seat heaters, etc and most importantly pride in workmanship form the manufacturer. You can't go wrong here. The CSX has that much more than the EL you should love the handling. I love the EL and I have been a VW owner forever. Not any more nor ever again.

carenw
01-13-2006, 07:43 PM
Try Downtown Acura in Toronto they were great. Call Keif Grey best sales guy I ever dealt with. Even took the Beetle in trade. I tried the Ottawa dealers and walked away. But you will be happy at Downtown Acura.

jww
01-14-2006, 09:09 AM
Try Downtown Acura in Toronto they were great. Call Keif Grey best sales guy I ever dealt with. Even took the Beetle in trade. I tried the Ottawa dealers and walked away. But you will be happy at Downtown Acura.
A friend of mine bought a TL from Toronto a few years back for the same reason. I think the dealer was Acura 2000. The Hull dealer is worse than Camco.

jww

jww
01-14-2006, 03:02 PM
Carenw - I have tried to send two different emails to Downtown Acura and they have both bounced back undeliverable. Would love to have a second dealer to work with but if I can't email as a start, I will have to pass and look for another dealer in Toronto.

jww

FWDMOTION
01-15-2006, 08:36 PM
I previously owned a 1997 Acura 2.2 CL 5spd it was my second Honda product, my first was 1990 Honda Prelude. Purchased the Acura when I lived Burlington at Acura on Brant. They have fantastic service. I like the service so much that I even did my oil changes there, not to mention I'd get a free carwash with every visit. In 2001 I moved to Ottawa and expected to receive similar treatment from Camco, boy was I wrong. I had to harass the service people to get anything, not to mention the service department is closed at 5PM weekly and on Saturdays. I heard the Hull dealer was better, but never checked it out to verify.

In 2002 I decided to I need 4 doors and was in love with the Audi A4. Through a little research I learned that the Jetta came equipped with the same 180hp turbo engine and costs about $10K less depending on trim. I sprung for leather and 17" wheels with sport suspension with a 5spd manual. Purchased it at the local Bi-tek Ottawa dealership, their service department was pretty good, a lot better than Camco's that's for sure. I really think my displeasure with Camco influenced my decision to switch brands. The car was potent with a ton of mid-range power and I quickly become addicted to the whistling sound of the turbo. The 1st year and a bit where like a honeymoon, my first VW. By the time late 2004 came around the check engine light was monthly affaire, the antenna snapped backward, and poor gas mileage. The always-on turbo was thirsty. I really noticed the crappy gas mileage when I moved back to the GTA and began commuting from Burlington to North Toronto. At a 130 to 140 KM/h and the RPMs at about 4 grand plus, you can almost see the gas gage dropping towards E... Not a bad car, but I really missed the added refinements of Honda products.

BTW my new 06 Accord EX-L rocks with great handling, good performance and amazing gas mileage! Just broke my 1st 1000K and getting 595 KM on 50 liters. IT gets 100 more KMs than my 2002 Jetta 1.8T did. The Jetta also required premium fuel, the Accord does not.

Anyway JWW, shopping around for a new call is a ton of fun, I can see you're enjoying it!

jww
01-15-2006, 08:51 PM
I have never been a big fan of the Accord's styling too much - especially the redesign of 3 years ago. However, the new detail job on the rear end fixes my biggest beef around the looks of the Accord.

All the Accords that I have ever driven have been more north american biased in handling the Acura line which is more performance/euro-handling oriented. However, yours is not the first time that I have heard that Camco Acura service is sub-par. I have heard good things about Bitek VW, as well as Civic Motors.

Perhaps we'll have a look at the Accord - I believe that I can get the EX-L with a 5 speed rather than an automatic (I despise slush boxes - especially on 4 cylinder engines).

Thanks for your advice.

jww

VolksWatch
01-29-2006, 08:11 PM
jww, you may be interested in our website:
http://www.VolksWatch.com

Have you testdriven the Jetta 2.0T?

It is an absolute marvel! An incredible bang for the buck!

Stefan
Editor, http://www.VolksWatch.com

jww
01-29-2006, 08:54 PM
jww, you may be interested in our website:
http://www.VolksWatch.com

Have you testdriven the Jetta 2.0T?

It is an absolute marvel! An incredible bang for the buck!

Stefan
Editor, http://www.VolksWatch.com
Thanks but too little too late - we went with something else. In the end, I was simplly too gun shy to get into a long-term auto commitment with a VW. Maybe some time in the future when they are regained their reliability.

jww

kilby
08-26-2006, 12:18 AM
We bought a 2006 Jetta TDI on March 18th this year, it now has 18k on it and. . .the A/C sometimes doesn't blow as cold as it should, it sometimes idles a bit rough at idle, but never for long, twice while making left turns it died on my wife, only to re start right away. It will go 180 easily (on a controlled track of course) and gets incredible mileage, the seats are ergonomically perfect... a winner, MUCH better than our 2001 Golf TDI. My wife drives 500 to 1000 kilometres a week for business and this is the perfect vehicle for that. We looked at the Accord, but did not like the fit and finish or the lower back support , accelerated faster than the TDI, but not nearly as sporting to drive, the torque is intoxicating at highway speeds and the fuel guage doesn't drop every time you floor it. Will be interesting to see what they do power wise with the 2008.

jww
08-26-2006, 11:10 AM
It didn't help us that the dealer was clearly not motivated to deal with us - they called a full week after we picked up our new car back in January wondering if we were still thinking about perhaps buying/leasing a new car, and if maybe the Jetta was possibly in the running, perhaps?

What a joke - VW dealers are notorious for sub-standard customer service - and Bytek Auto took the first prize in that contest.

IMO the TDI is a fabulous vehicle - the one I would have wanted in the end. Hope you have great longevity of engine life and shortage of electrical and other problems.

sarahluc
09-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Stay away from VW, it is a trap dude, poor dealership, once they sell it to you, you will only have problems, even with the service at your dealership. Good word of advise buy a Honda or a Acura for the similar price you will get better service and a better car altogether.

Mike

The General
09-12-2006, 08:45 AM
Stay away from VW, it is a trap dude, poor dealership, once they sell it to you, you will only have problems, even with the service at your dealership. Good word of advise buy a Honda or a Acura for the similar price you will get better service and a better car altogether.

Mike

How many times are you going to post this? :wink:

Explain to me why then, if these cars are so terrible, that everyone is asking about them. BTW, I'm not saying that these are good cars...