premier voiture dans la belle province

[Godzila]

Bonjour le tout de habitant de cette forum,

Je suis nouvelle participant ici et aussi je suis nouveau arrivant a Belle Provence.

Pendant quelque moins proshen ma famille va grandi :-) et ce pourquoi maintenant ce le temps pour moi pour acheter mon premier voiture dans la belle province mais pour ça je besoin le conseille.

A cette moment je ne suis pas très riche et aussi je ne suis pas une grande spécialiste a sujet de voiture ce pourquoi je décide de acheter une voiture de occasion de « diler » avec le garanti de réparation et paît être avec de financement.

J’ai quelque question a cette sujet :
1) Il y a quelque voiture a quelle je pence /Hundai Elantra 2001 / Hundai Sonata 2001/Mazda Protege 2000-2001/. Si vous aviez quelque chose a dit a sujet de mon chois. bienvenu. (Je vais utilise le voiture a ville Montréal)


2) Je cherche le place ou je paît achète la voiture. maintenant je pense a http://www.encandirect.com/
aussi paît-être vous pouvez dit quelque chose a sujet de H. Grégoire or presenter le alternative et recommend le “dillers” a Montreal?

3)Je voudra acheter une garanti (Extended warranty) est que vous connais le (Extended warranty de Encan direct or de autre diller. Le diller propose différent de tipe de garanti quelle tipe de garanti vous me recommande de choisi?

Example de warranty de Encan Direct:
(Extended warranty)We can also provide any vehicles having a limited 5000 KM à 240 000KM with a warranty ranging over a period of 3 months to 7 years. This offer is valid at the day of signing your contract. Five warranty plans are offered.
Moreover by choosing one of the guarantees offered by group PPP, you automatically become member of CAA Quebec for a year. A guarantee that provides peace of mind.
http://www.encandirect.com/commun/en/english.htm


Paît être je paît trouve le réponses a mes questions a cette forum, mais ce difficile pour moi a lire très bien a France. Aussi Désolai pour tout le errors a lange France. Bonne âne 2005.

[guy_geo]

Welcome. U know, you can write in english, a lot of members here can answer to you in english, .. Personnaly, don't mind!

[Godzila]

Thanks
English is not my native also but I feel more comfortable with English at this period of time.

If my French post was hard for understanding :lol: (at least I tried) I will write the same in English.

So I have to buy a first car in Canada. For the purpose of transportation of me, my wife and future baby in the city of Montreal.

Because currently I am not very rich I want to buy a used car. (To avoid dramatic decreasing of the car value, and to pay less for insurance.)

But because I do not have good knowledge in field of mechanics, I want to purchase a car with a dealer warranty for year or two. So because I need warranty I will have to buy a car from dealer even so I will probably pay little bit more than in case if I will purchase car from the private person.

So currently I need few advices:

1)Recommendations about dealers in Montreal, I found plenty dealers in the Internet but I don’t know nothing about they reputation. The one I liked the most is http://www.encandirect.com/ ( http://www.auto123.com/fr/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5229 )
Can you advice me something at this matter?

2)Dealer warranty. Does this warranty worth the money that you are paying for it? It is possible to cover different parts of car. what parts you recommend to cover?

3)What Car. Currently I think about cars as: Hunday Elantra 2001; Hunday Sonata 2001; Mazda Protégé 2000-2001; Can you advice me what car to chose from these 3?

4)If I buy a car from a dealer with dealer warranty I have to take the car to the indipendent specialist check or I have to trust the dealer?

Thank you for reading all this :shock:

[Chang]

Welcome here, and welcome to our beautiful province! :D If neither French nor English is your mother tongue, where are you from?

Alright, let's look at your questions for now...

1) Any single one of us here will tell you to stay away from places like Encan Direct H. Grégoire, Montréal Auto Prix, etc. There are issues against them like selling at a considerably higher price than announced and really bad stories on vehicles sold with major defects. Just search about them and you will see.

You can either buy your new car from a car dealer ( www.occasionenor.com ) or from a private party, a person who wants to sell his/her car on his own. However, it will be impossible to get a warranty from this kind of purchase.

2) Well... Depends on what car you want to buy and on the price they are asking for it. Personally, I would not. Warranty will cover expenses related to defects, it will not pay for regular maintenance.

3) Hyundai Elantra and Sonata are not in the same price/category range. It depends on what you want... Do you prefer a sporty car over something more comfortable? Do you prefer automatic transmissions or manual transmissions? And how much do you want to put on the car you will buy? That's the most important element of your question.

4) Personally, I don't know...

[BedZ]

Hi and welcome here (in this forum and in Quebec!)

I totally agree with Chang's statement. As for myself, I would never buy any car from a place like this.

If you're not in a hurry you should visit some dealers since they always have an used cars department. You may expect to pay a little more, but their cars are inspected and some will offer a warranty.

You should take a look for a used Ford Focus (2003). You can have a real deal since the resale value is quite low (good for used buyers)!

See ya!

[Sablotin]

[quote="Godzila"]
4)If I buy a car from a dealer with dealer warranty I have to take the car to the indipendent specialist check or I have to trust the dealer?quote]

First of all, you should always have an inspection made before you buy a used car. :idea:

If you buy a warranty, the dealer will probably have the last word even if you have the car checked in an independant place. A good dealer will most certainly honor your warranty without any problems, so if you can have some references from friends, co-workers or people here, it would be nice. Also asks if there is a fee when you use your warranty, i.e. a 150$ charge for every job done on your car.

I hope it can be of some help for you and if you have any questions, don't hesitate, there's a lot of people here with a lot of knowledge and even wisdom (well, some of us ... :lol: )

[Konnan]

1) You better visit dealers around you than shopping from Encan Direct and the like.

2) The dealer warranty is not worth it 95% of the time. You'll probably have a 3 month warranty anyway if you buy from a dealer, and it will be free.

3) To tell you what car to get, we need to know what kind of car you want to drive and how much money you want to invest. Since you are low on money, better get something very reliable, like the Protegé with the manual transmission.

4) You can probably bring the car to the independant dealer to check it, but most of the time, if you buy from a dealer, you'll get a 3 month warranty and the dealer have a reputation to protect, so they probably inspected the car very well. Encan Direct and the like have no reputation to protect and they already got a very bad reputation.

[Godzila]

Thank you all for the answers. People are really kind here.


About the question from where I am, in general I am from Eastern Europe but last decade I have lived in the Middle East. So the North American automobile market is quite different from what I know.

About what I need.
To be more specific I am looking for the family car, maximum that I am willing to pay is 10000 CAD in total, I am used to manual transmission. However after I will buy a car I cant permit myself a lot of spending each month (for insurance and for reparations). Also I have about until March to chose and to buy the car I need.
May be on the base of my needs you will give me some advice what to buy.

So I thought to buy car that will have a warranty on reparations(company warranty or dealer warranty) just to be covered..


I have additional question: when you say dealer you mean only the official dealers of Hundai, Ford etc. or you also mean the garage that sell used cars only?

[Chang]

I have additional question: when you say dealer you mean only the official dealers of Hundai, Ford etc. or you also mean the garage that sell used cars only?

Both. But generally, new car dealers selling used autos are usually better if you absolutely want a warranty. If you don't want a warranty, that everyone told you that it is not absolutely necessary, you can look on this website:

www.hebdo.com

Most of them come from private owners selling their cars and used auto dealers. Be careful with the prices, you can negociate. For example, auto makes like Toyota, which has a very good reputation on reliability, are overrated.

But for a total of 10,000 dollars, you can have a rather recent and nice compact sedan with a manual transmission. I would suggest a Toyota Corolla. It's a bit more expensive in repairs, but it rarely ever breaks... The best choice if you want peace of mind. But as I told you before, BE CAREFUL with the price, as it is often way too up. For 10,000$, you can have a Corolla of almost any year and any total kilometres on it... :roll:

[Pichoo]

Considering the fact that you already mentionned Elantra and Protegé in your first post, we can see the kind of car you're looking for. For $10,000 you might find something interesting in those models and in an earlier year/model.

Personnaly, I'll prefer something more reliable than something more flashy. The Toyota Corolla Chang suggested is something very good. Avoid the 2001 to 2003 models.

If you have the time to visit many dealers, take a look at the Nissan Sentra and the Hyundai Elantra GT. Any Honda Civic under 2001 is also a good choice.

Compare and try them then come back to us and you'll find something suitable for you.

And you're most welcome. Just feel yourself at home. :wink:

[Monhomme]

I don't wanna be the Party breaker!! But , it's not real, i gonna begin to talk in english anywhere in this forum... So please, make an effort, and keep on learning french, man!!! Somebody here, looked like interested to help you!!!

No hard feeling.... :wink:

[Godzila]

I don't wanna be the Party breaker!! But , it's not real, i gonna begin to talk in english anywhere in this forum... So please, make an effort, and keep on learning french, man!!! Somebody here, looked like interested to help you!!!

No hard feeling.... :wink:

I tried French in the beginning of this topic. However I do study French and this year I even might graduate from Masters program in UdeM, but I don’t think that before I will buy a car level of my written French will improve until the point when I will communicate freely in the forum. However I understand French I just can’t write well since I am only about 10 month here.

[BedZ]

Keep on going Godzilla!

Still, It is quite hard to learn such a complicated language like French. I have family (ancestors I should say ;) ) which comes from Ukraine and I can`t understand a single word! :)

8)

[Godzila]

Thank you, I can easily communicate in Ukrainian if there such a need :roll: But I didn’t pass my French course this semester. :evil:

Lately I started to think also in other direction.
Why should I spend 10000 CAD on the car even with warranty . May be it will be better to buy something cheap and to prepare in advance some amount of money for reparations.

Here some points why I think so:

1)For example if I will buy an 10000 car I will want to make it a full warranty and it will cost me about 1800 a year and if I buy an old cheap car I pay about 400CAD a year. So 1400 CAD cheaper a year. (And I will definitely make a warranty because investment of 10000 is something that I would like a warranty on)

2) Also more expensive 10000 CAD car will loose more than 1000 CAD of a value a year and cheaper and older car will probably loose less of value each year. (But this is not a main point)

So if buy 2000-3000CAD car and I prepare 1000+CAD for reparations even if I use those 1000 CAD during the firs year I will spent the same on warranty for the newer car during first year. So eventually by buying cheap car I will save money even if I will have to invest on reparations.


I got a proposition from friends of mine to buy a FORD WINDSTAR 1995 in excellent condition for 2,500.00$ however the motor is too big for me(not very economic) and this model is not recommended by all car related publishers also transmission is automatic and I like manual.

[Chang]

What a dilemna, eh? :wink:

Of course, a 10,000$ car will tend to be much more expensive than, let's say, a 4,000$ car, especially for insurance, depreciation and repairs. But it depends on what you want. As far as I know, you want it manual, economical, reliable and/or cheap to repair. But now, for how long do you want to keep it? Do you know if you will have a job soon or not?

If your financial situation is precarious, I would tend to go for a 4,000$ car, which might be much less reliable, though, but also probably easier to repair. Then once you have a good job, you sell the car and take a better one. The good point about 4,000$ cars, and you mentionned it, is that they will tend to loose less value than 10,000$ cars. You could even resell it at the same price you've paid!

What to check in the case of 4,000$ is the total distance the car made, and double-check it with a good mechanical inspection. A hint: american models tend to lose value quite rapidly. However, if they were well maintained and have a low number of kilometres on them, they might be an excellent option, as they are much cheaper to repair than import models. But about the Windstar 1995, you are right, do not touch it! However, if someone talks to you about a cheap Ford Escort, it might be interesting because the powertrain comes from Mazda.

[Godzila]

Tnk u,

So as I saw from the Hebdo and auto123 sites for 4000CAD I can have Ford Escort 1998 manual 5 doors(wagon), 2 or 1.9 liter. (By the way what engine is better 2.0 or 1.9? and what model is better LX or SE SW ?)

This is cheapest example of this type of car I saw online:
http://www.auto123.com/fr/used/search/details.spy?id=384368
(3.500) the expensive is about 5000. So I think 4K will be a resonable price, is it?

At least I can go now to dealer and I know about what car to ask him.

[Chang]

Yeah, this one looks fine.

However, about the engine, I don't know. In those two, one is from Mazda and the other is from Ford! But which is which... My hunch is that the 1.9L is from Mazda and the 2.0L is from Ford.

As I told you, those Ford Escort (1993-1999) are a good opportunity to buy a good car that will be reliable enough, cheap to repair and affordable. Ford has an overall horrible reliability reputation, which reduces the value of the used cars of the make. So you can have something recent and not very worn for a reasonable price.

Just make sure to perform a complete inspection on it, to see if it really has the same amount of kilometres that the odometer claims, and to see if it was not involved in a major accident.