Voir la version complète : Les efforts de Chrysler
danny9999
12/02/2009, 08h58
Entendu à la radio ce matin (je n'ai pas trouvé la source, désolé) Chrysler va exiger des leurs concessionnaires d'absorber une certaine marge sur les profits sur chaque véhicule vendu, Chrysler ne paiera plus le plein d'essence à la livraison d'un nouveau véhicule (je pensais que c'était au frais du dealer) et vont maintenant facturer les concessionnaires $1 à chaque fois qu'ils vont consulter l'inventaire et pouvoir savoir à quel endroit ils peuvent trouver un véhicule qu'ils n'ont pas en stock.
Francis F
12/02/2009, 09h22
Ridicule. Déjà que les concessionnaires n'ont plus de marge... Ça va leur coûter de l'argent pour trouver le véhicule que le client veut... Trop, c'est trop.
C'est simple, ça veut dire aux dealers qu'ils devront vendre ce qu'ils ont dans leur cour.
Déjà qu'ils doivent vendre de la M, ça devient encore moins rentable pour les concessions.
Effort de Chrysler? On dirait un effortpour faire disparaître quelques concessionnaires...
danny9999
12/02/2009, 11h20
Effectivement, j'aurais dû titrer le sujet les "efforts" de Chrysler.
1$ que sa va couter a chrysler pour fermer des concessions wow c est du genie
de toute facon, il y a trop de concessionnaire Chrysler, alors, tout les moyens sont bon pour en ferme, sans que ca leur coute une penalite :)
Les problèmes de Chrysler sont loin d'être terminé.....
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090209/FREE/902090257/-1
Bref après des fermetures d'usines il n'avait pas besoin de ça.....ça commence à sentir le brûlé.
pourquoi leur avoir preter autant de cash
pour les primes de depart au actionnaires et autre big boss
Today is the due date for Chrysler LLC and General Motors to submit separate "Viability Plans" to the U.S. Treasury Department that demonstrate the tax payers' $15 billion in low-interest loans has and will be put to good use. Chrysler earns extra credit from teacher for turning its homework in first, as the Auburn Hills, MI-based automaker revealed this afternoon what progress has been made since the loans were granted in December and what will be done in 2009.
All of the info that Chrysler publicly released can be found after the jump, but we'll direct you first to a paragraph that immediately follows Chrysler's gloomy forecast for industry sales through 2012. It contains a request for an extra $2 billion on top of the $4 billion already given and $3 billion yet to be delivered. That would raise Chrysler's debt to the federal government from $7 billion to $9 billion and is based on a projected SAAR (Seasonally Adjusted Annual Rate of auto sales in the U.S.) of at least 10.1 million units.
So how does Chrysler prove to the feds that our money will be well spent? The Viability Plan clues the feds in on a pending strategic alliance with Fiat (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/20/breaking-chrysler-and-fiat-announce-partnership/), which will give Chrysler access to small, fuel-efficient vehicles; new distribution networks in emerging markets; and other cost saving opportunities. Chrysler also notes some major new product that will arrive in 2010 including the redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee, Dodge Charger, Chrysler 300 and a new unibody Dodge Durango. Add to that a Dodge Ram two-mode hybrid and the automaker's promised electric vehicle, as well.
Plan de Chrysler:
http://www.media.chrysler.com/dcxms/assets/attachments/Restructuring_Plan_for_LongTerm_Viability.pdf
Daimler is the latest in a long line of automakers to post a heavy decline for Q4 earnings in 2008. The German automaker was in the red to the tune of $1.95 billion, which is isn't a surprise considering October through December was among the worst periods for car sales in modern times. The loss was also a big swing from the $2.14 billion in profit Daimler posted in Q4 2007. Sales shrunk by 17% for the quarter as well, with net cash flow down by 12% to $26.9 billion. A big portion of Daimler's loss came courtesy of Chrysler, as the German automaker's 19.9% stake resulted in $1.4 billion in losses. Daimler is looking to unload it's share of Chrysler, but at this point will likely have to pay a massive premium to take the Auburn Hills, MI-based automaker off its books.
Daimler still managed a $1.77 billion profit in 2008, though that's down from $3.77 billion just one year earlier. Don't expect Daimler to make any predictions for 2009, either. The automaker is expecting continued struggles ahead for Mercedes-Benz, as the economic downturn is pinching wealthier buyers just as much as the rest of us.
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d apres ce que j aurait entendu chrysler mets sur la glace la fabrication du ram pour nissan
Francis F
18/02/2009, 09h25
d apres ce que j aurait entendu chrysler mets sur la glace la fabrication du ram pour nissan
Futur mariage avec Fiat oblige...
Pas grand chose de nouveau chez Chrysler à mon avis... Beaucoup de point flu...
a part de siphonner l'argent des americains, rien de concret
The federal government has slapped a $500-million charge against Chrysler Canada Inc. as part of a high-stakes tax battle that is complicating government bailout negotiations for the troubled auto maker.
According to Federal Court documents obtained by The Globe and Mail, the Canada Revenue Agency began notifying Chrysler Canada in 2002 that it had been reassessed and owed “substantial increases” in taxes for three years starting in 1996. The reassessment, one of three issued against the company between 2002 and 2005, targeted the pricing of automobiles and parts that crossed the border between Chrysler Canada and its Detroit parent.
The court documents do not reveal the amount of back taxes that Canada Revenue is seeking. But according to documents filed with Ontario's Land Registrar, the tax agency filed a $500-million charge or lien in September against Chrysler's operations in Brampton, Ont. Tax experts said the lien is believed to be one of the largest ever served against a company in Canada and typically such claims do not reflect the full amount of taxes owed.
A spokesperson for Canada Revenue declined to comment.
The monster-sized tax dispute has taken on a new importance in recent months as Chrysler Canada and its U.S. parent push governments on both sides of the border to hand over billions of dollars in financial aid to rescue a sector that has been battered by a severe recession and nimbler foreign competitors. If Canada Revenue pushes Chrysler Canada to repay a tax bill it no longer has the resources to pay, it could damage rescue efforts or trigger a tug-of-war over bailout money between the tax authorities in the two countries.
Ontario Economic Development Minister Michael Bryant said during an interview that Chrysler Canada has “very much tried” to make the tax dispute part of the bailout negotiations, because “they want to lower their liability overall as much as possible.”
Mr. Bryant said “the governments have taken the position that the tax issues are tax issues and ought not to be lumped in with the other negotiations.”
Washington has already given Chrysler's U.S. parent $4-billion (U.S.) and the company is seeking another $5-billion. Chrysler Canada asked Ottawa and Ontario for $1.6-billion (Canadian) and the governments returned with an offer of $1-billion. The company is to submit a restructuring plan tomorrow to the Canadian governments.
Reid Bigland, president of Chrysler Canada, declined to discuss details of the tax dispute. But he said in an interview last week that any money received from the federal or provincial governments would not be used to pay back debts already owed to the governments. The money has been allocated to finance ongoing operations, he said, including paying suppliers and helping to weather the slump in the Canadian market.
Chrysler's tax woes were triggered by a dispute over prices charged by Chrysler Canada or its U.S. parent when auto parts, cars and other services were transferred across the border. The practice is known as transfer pricing, and tax authorities and investors have long regarded it as a murky practice because it can be abused by foreign head offices to siphon money from branch plants. If a subsidiary lowers prices below market value on goods and services sold to head office, profits and taxes are effectively shifted to foreign jurisdictions.
What has made the tax dispute so thorny is the timing of Canada Revenue's assessments. The Canada-U.S. Tax Treaty allows for Chrysler to seek tax relief from the United States if Canada issues a tax reassessment over such issues as faulty transfer pricing. The relief is designed to prevent double taxation.
Under terms of the treaty, tax authorities must be notified about the reassessment within six years of the year in which the disputed payments occurred. Chrysler Canada argued in Federal Court last fall that Canada Revenue “unfairly deprived” the company from seeking tax relief in the United States because its last reassessment notice came in 2005, nine years after 1996, the first year in which transfer pricing was reassessed. It is understood that the court dispute has been shelved while the various governments negotiate a bailout for the troubled sector.
:) :D :)...
Est ce que le gouvenement Canadien pourrait recuperer les actifs de Chrysler LLC pour manque de payement. Une belle facon d'avoir une compagnie national :) :D :) :D :) .
Rumormill: Chrysler to sell Jeep to International? If so, it's news to Chrysler (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/23/chrysler-to-sell-jeep-to-international-its-news-to-chrysler/)
Ever since Cerberus bought a controlling interest in Chrysler, many have openly speculated that the private equity fund would ultimately split up the company and sell it off. Those rumors have intensified in the last six months as the troubles of Chrysler and the rest of the industry have grown. Of the three brands in the stable, Jeep is generally considered to be the only one that has any significant value to potential buyers. Interestingly, the same thing was true in 1987 when Chrysler bought American Motors Corporation just to get the Jeep brand.
A report has just popped up on the website for JP Magazine that the International Trucks unit of Navistar has purchased Jeep. We've contacted Chrysler for a comment on the story and spokesman Ed Garsten told us he hasn't "...heard a thing on this." The story may turn out to be untrue – in fact, we suspect it may be an unfortunately-timed April Fool's joke that's been published online commensurate with that publication's newsstand schedule. Despite all that, International would perhaps be a fitting owner for Jeep. Back in the '60s and '70s, the International Scout was perhaps the closest competitor to the CJ and old Scouts are still popular among off-roaders. As for the fate of Jeep and the rest of Chrysler, we'll have to keep waiting.
Article de JP Magazine:
Amidst all this economical doom and gloom under these black clouds we seem to be seeing all the time, we've finally got wind of a silver lining. Normally this would end up in our "News" section, but when something this big, including photos, hits our desk, we just have to share. This could very well be the best time to be a Jeep enthusiast. This is almost like Jeeps in crates coming true.
Thanks to the whole bailout mess, Cerberus and General Motors are in the last legs of talks to join forces to become General Chrysler Motors, or GCM for short. The only two stumbling blocks are the Dodge and Jeep brands. GM doesn't want competition for either Hummer or for GMC. We don't know what might happen to Dodge, but our sources, who were previously deep inside Chrysler before the last round of layoffs, tell us of some news. General Chrysler Motors will be announcing, as soon as the merger is final, that it has sold the Jeep brand off to International.
The new International Jeep Corporation will kill off the Patriot, Commander, and Compass for the 2010 model year. The Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, and Liberty will carry on with a few changes. The Diesel Grand Cherokee will retain the 3.0L diesel engine and the gas engine options. International has signed a contract to keep all current key Chrysler employees and to option the Chrysler engines for up to 5 years. The Grand Cherokee redesign will get pushed back a few years. Meanwhile the Liberty will also be offered with the 3.0L V-6 diesel package. International aims to bring the cost of the package down through greater numbers.
Meanwhile, big news for the Wrangler in 2010. The IFS platform redesign to begin in 2013 has been sent back to the drawing board indefinitely, and in addition to a 5.7L hemi option in the JK under the same 5-year contract, International will offer the 3.0L V-6 found in the Grand Cherokee and the 4.5L V-6 Maxxforce Navistar diesel engine with an Allison 1000 five-speed transmission.
By increasing the quantity of the 3.0L Mercedes diesels purchased, International has brought the package price that it pays Mercedes down from the $5,500 Chrysler was paying to $3,300. Initially the package will be available in the Wrangler and Liberty for around $3,000, while the price will remain unchanged in the Grand at $1,500. The 4.5L package in the Wrangler will be a $4,000 option.
The other immediate change is that all Jeep models will be available with a Rubicon package featuring front and rear lockers, a 4:1 transfer case, and electronic sway bar disconnects. The only exception being the diesel powered Jeeps, which will see the stock 2.72:1 low range with a center locking differential in the NV245OR transfer case. Additionally, the Rubicon Package on the Grand Cherokee and the Liberty will feature a 1 1/2-inch lift reminiscent of the Up-Country package of yore. This lift will clear 245/75R17 BFG MT KM2 tires for both the Liberty and the Grand Cherokee.
Future plans, our source tells us, are to discontinue the Liberty name and call it the Cherokee again both overseas and in the US. Other changes are solid axles under the front of the next generation Grand Cherokee and Liberty. Also, a full-size Scout (think 2-door SUV), Carryall (think full-size truck), and Travelall (think 4-door SUV) are rumored to be up and coming prototypes.
We can't wait to see Jeep actually get back to its roots with solid front axles and the addition of diesel engines.
Pour moi une compagnie qui n'a toujours pas de sous-compactes potables en 2009 ne fait pas d'efforts pour s'en sortir. Au moins, même si elle n'est pas parfaite GM a l'Avéo.
Ford a pourtant juste une compact....
ca me depasse..que mon argent va 'aider' une compagnie qui s'est assis sur ses poubelles pendant 25 ans..sti qu'ont est epais
et pourquoi tu demande pas la meme chose pour ton club video???
car je fait trop d'effort pour m'en sortir!! c'est ca qui est platte...tu fourre du monde pis té sauver 2 fois...
disons qu'ils sont rare les industries qui n'ont jamais eu d'aide du gouvernement!!!
lol...2 fois a coup de millard
et plein de petit commercant QUEBECOIS font faillite..personne ne les aident
Vtec, si les 3 grands ferment, le nombre de faillites ne diminuera certainement pas...
Ça me fait rire moi les gens qui parlent des dépenses du gouvernement avec LEUR argent.
C'est à ça que ça sert les impôts. Arrêtez de prendre toutes les dépenses gouvernementales personnelles, vous allez vous rendre malheureux inutilement.
La fermeture des 3 grands, ce serait désastreux et ça toucherait énormément de personnes d'une manière ou d'une autre. On paye des impôts pour que le gouvernement les dépense, pour le bien de la société. Certains choix sont douteux ou ne font pas l'unanimité et ce sera toujours ainsi...
aident toi et le ciel t,aidera...
Tout à fait d'accord avec ça. Les Américains méritent ce qui arrive.
Mais d'un autre côté, les gouvernements ont aussi profité des hauts salaires donnés aux employés, des bons fonds de pansion etc.
Aujourd'hui, ils doivent aider les constructeurs à survivre sinon, l'économie au grand complet va subir un dur coup...
je sais...question d'economie, je sais que ca pas de sens de les laisser crever mais moi, personne m'aide pis j'ai toujours esseyer de faire de mon mieux..contrairement au big 3
C'est vrai que sous cet angle, c'est injuste.
Sauf que toi, tu payes ton monde au salaire minimum. Pis des jobs comme ça, y'en pleut. Quel intérêt pour le gouvernment de te donner du cash? Tu fais pas vraiment rouler l'économie, tu fais pas affaire avec des sous-traitants, les salaires que tu payes ne donnent pas beaucoup d'impôt au gouvernement et tu ne fais pas vivre beaucoup de familles, à part la tienne...
Je sais que c'est cruel cette manière de voir les choses mais c'est comme ça qu'il faut le voir je crois...
je veut pas d,aide..mais aider pas personne d,autre
Si il y a plein de jobs qui se perdent, ton commerce va y gouter aussi par ricochet, alors sauver les gros employeurs c'est capital. Je crois plutot que c'est ceux qui se font aider qui te fait suer tellement tu les hais, maia ca l'air que la haine est proche de l'amoiur:cool:
Si il y a plein de jobs qui se perdent, ton commerce va y gouter aussi par ricochet, alors sauver les gros employeurs c'est capital. Je crois plutot que c'est ceux qui se font aider qui te fait suer tellement tu les hais, maia ca l'air que la haine est proche de l'amoiur:cool:
Je vais être chiant... mais je pense comme l'ancien dirigeant de Teacher.... Adaptation!
Moi et le BS de luxe....
si le gouvernement prete de l'argent et non la donne, c'est toujours mieux que rien. Si dans quelque annee, GM et les autres fond bien, le gouvernement va retrouver son argent....on appelle pas ca de l'investissement???
Ford a pourtant juste une compact....
ford n'a pas encore reçu une seule cenne des gvt derrnièrement... et ils ont fait un commitment sur les petites voitures... On sait que la Fiesta s'en vient, et que la Focus sera bientôt renouvellé. En passant, on s'entend que la Focus reste la meilleure compacte nord-américaine... chez Gm, on promet la Cruze mais on sait même pas quand...
Chrysler, dans leur plan de survie, ils ont parlé du Durango, de la nouvelle 300 et du nouveau Grand Cherokee...
Avouez que c'est tellement drôle qu'on pourrait pisser dans nos culottes...
:D
C'est vrai que sous cet angle, c'est injuste.
Sauf que toi, tu payes ton monde au salaire minimum. Pis des jobs comme ça, y'en pleut. Quel intérêt pour le gouvernment de te donner du cash? Tu fais pas vraiment rouler l'économie, tu fais pas affaire avec des sous-traitants, les salaires que tu payes ne donnent pas beaucoup d'impôt au gouvernement et tu ne fais pas vivre beaucoup de familles, à part la tienne...
Je sais que c'est cruel cette manière de voir les choses mais c'est comme ça qu'il faut le voir je crois...
C,est aussi une question de stratégie économique... l'automobile, ça reste de la grosse industrie à la fine pointe comme l'aviation... pas sur que les USA ou l'europe laisserait Boeing ou Airbus crevé... ;)
Par contre, on va s'entendre tout de suite... ce que GM vit en ce moment, ça va la transformer à jamais... jamais le géant n'a eu les pieds aussi fragile...
Chrysler... je comprends pas cette société.... ils ont rien comme vrais plans de changement...
Chrysler... je comprends pas cette société.... ils ont rien comme vrais plans de changement...
mais recu des milliards de $$ quand meme:confused:
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