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Stéphane Dumas
21/01/2004, 18h17
article trouvé à http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/16/pf/autos/sleepers/index.htm

Collectible cars: $9,999 and under

That nerdy car your Mom drove in the 1970s could be a hot property someday.
January 21, 2004: 4:58 PM EST
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN/Money staff writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Want to get into the collector car hobby but you don't have, oh, $650,000 to spend on a nicely restored '32 Duesenberg?

The folks at Hemmings Motor News, the Bible of the collector car industry, and Hagerty Insurance, which specializes in covering collector cars, have a few suggestions for more inexpensive starter models.

Much more inexpensive, actually.

AMC AMX Javelins, like this 1973 model, can now be worth well over $10,000.
Hemmings calls them "Sleepers." These are cars that you can buy today for less than $10,000 that, they predict, will increase nicely in value. It's a feature Hemmings has been running more or less annually for about 15 years.

In recent years, cars from the 1970s and '80s have started appearing on the list. Already, one 1970s picked has crossed over into the land of five-figure investments. An American Motors AMX Javelin in very good condition can command prices in the teens or even mid-$20,000 range.

Hagerty Insurance has been tracking prices of what the company calls "Nerd cars." These are cars from the mid- to late-1970s, a period that produced some of the most cringe-worthy clunkers in American automotive history.

Still, surviving cars from that time have now passed their magical 25th birthday, an age that marks them as potential collectibles. And a surprising number of people are buying cars that, by all measures, pretty much stank the first time around.

"They weren't particularly well built, they didn't have a lot power," said McKeel Hagerty, president of Hagerty Insurance. "They really had very little going for them."

Even so, nostalgia reigns in the car collecting business.

"When certain generations reach a certain age they want the car their parents had," said Richard Lentinello, editor-in-chief of Hemmings, "or that they sold when they were younger."

Souped-up little models
Some cars from the '70s and '80s were estimable performers and are genuinely quite rare. For example, there's the Dodge Shelby Omni GLH. This souped-up economy model actually outperformed far more expensive sports cars. Just 500 of the boxy little cars were built in its one-year run as a 1986 model.

"Those cars are hard to find now," said Lentinello.

American Motors' Gremlin X, particularly when equipped with a 150-horsepower V-8 engine, is "one of the most unusual V-8 powered collectibles that every old car enthusiast can afford," according to Hemmings.

Gremlins and Pacers, other odd-ball creations from American Motors, are particularly popular examples of "nerd cars," said Hagerty. American Motors, or AMC, was bought by Chrysler in 1987. Only its Jeep brand survives today.

Donnie Solomon of Roxboro, North Carolina, owner of an equipment rental business and Webmaster of GremlinX.com, said he gets at least a dozen mails a week from people wanting to buy a Gremlin X. Solomon owns six himself, although four are "parts cars," as well as two AMC muscle cars.

"I've always been an American Motors fan partly just because they're really unique," he said.

Some cars are just famous for their former newsworthiness. The Ford Pinto, which was the subject of much litigation over its alleged propensity to explode when hit from the rear, is now going up in value as collectors seek to acquire them, according to Hagerty.

If you're thinking of getting into car collecting and you want to start at the low end, don't go looking at collector car auctions. Really inexpensive cars aren't worth bringing to auctions, said Hagerty, because entry fees would eat up a big percentage of the proceeds.

Instead, search ads for private sales and have the car professionally appraised, advises Lentinello. And always buy a car because you love the car, not as an investment. That way, even if it declines in value, you'll still be happy to have it.

As for which "nerd cars" are most likely to reach real collector auction values in the future, Hagerty has a simple formula: "The weirder the better."

Numéro 3
22/01/2004, 01h48
Ça veux-tu dire que dans 25 ans, les Aztek vont valoir plus cher que maintenant???

J'pense que j'va m'trouver une grange, moi-là...

Bye!

Le Baron
22/01/2004, 09h02
Mes prédictions pour les prochaines 20-30 années, elles sont juste à 50% 1 fois sur 2

-Aztek
-Element
-Echo berline
-SE-R 2003 (la plus belle année, pu de banc rouge, mais juste avant qu'il bâtardisent l'avant)
-MazdaSpeed Protegé
-RX-7 de 1ère et 2e génération
-Camaro SS Z28
-Dodge Ram SRT-10
-Dodge SRT-4
-Civic Si-R 99-00 (elles ont tellement été volées qu'on en voit plus sur la route!)
-Ferrari Enzo (dahhhh!!!)
-Subaru WRX STi
-Mitsubishi Eclipse 2e génération AWD Turbo (avant qu'elles aient l'air d'un transformer)
-Subaru Baja

Minou
22/01/2004, 13h03
Qq choix significatifs pour moi;

-Honda Civic et Accord hatchback de première génération, soit 74-79 pour la Civic et 77-81 pour l'Accord. Elles étaient très significatives et avant-gardistes sur le marché. Et comme elles rouillaient très rapidement, elles sont probablement très rares.

-CRX SI 88-91. Del Sol SI et surtout SIR.

-Nissan 240, 260 et 280Z. Pour la beauté de leur ligne et leur relative râreté.

-Toyota Célica, Supra et MR2. Surtout les plus vieilles.

-Dans la catégorie "looser", Hyundai Pony et Stellar des premières années. Pour témoigner des débuts modestes et de l'arrivée des coréens. AMC Pacer.

-Les grosses américaines d'avant le premier downsizing des années 77-80.

-Les premières petites autobus Chrysler (84).

-Cadillac Eldorado, Buick Rivièra et Olds Toronado. Premières années pour la nouveauté de la traction dans une grosse américaine et dernières années pour la râreté d'une espèce en voie de disparition (Eldorado et Rivièra).

-Qq méga SUV décadents, genre Navigator, Escalade vaudront peut-être qq chose dans 25-50 ans pour témoigner de la démesure d'une époque révolue.

Maber
23/01/2004, 08h08
Il y a un principe, c'est la rareté qui fait le prix.
Et pour faire le prix il faut un acheteur.
plus ton bassin d'acheteur est grand meilleur est ton succès de vente.

En résumé on peut vendre importe quoi.

Vos réponses sont tous bonnes " Lada inclus"

Greenwood
17/03/2004, 20h38
La plupart des modèles rares (produits à moins grande échelle) et surtout ceux "full equip", avec le moteur le plus performant offert dans sa gamme, automatique et encore mieux s'il est convertible:

Cadillac Allanté 1990
Camaro IROC-Z 1987 convertible
Mustang Cobra 1993
Buick Riviera 1995 (modèle coupé)
Pontiac Granprix coupé
Cavalier Z-24 199? convertible (les modèles un peu carré)
Sunbird gt 1992 convertible
Corvette
Impala SS 2000
Cadillac STS
Prowler, Viper et compagnie c'est évident pour eux
etc.

Bonne prédiction et bonne route

Barbu
18/03/2004, 12h44
Quelques compact selon moi qui auront de la valeur en ordre:
Certaine classe
Eagle Talon Mitshu Éclipse AWD Turbo 1er et 2e Gen(1990-1998)
Dodge Srt-4
Prelude vtech
240sx
Civic si-r 99-2000
Celica

Autres:
Sunbird Turbo
Cavalier/sunbird Convertible
Isuzu Impulse rs Turbo

wickedg666
21/03/2004, 10h38
Véhicules a vendre sur ma rue je me disais le gars est fou de la vendre se prix Corrado 96 vr6 17 000 mais apres plusieurs recheche je me suis appercu que ca perd pas bcp de valeur une corrado.

Question de meme est-ce que c'est la meilleur VW qu'ils on fait point de vue performance et équlibre?

Est-ce que la presse avait bien coter le véhicules j,ai essayer de trouver des essaies routier ma ca date de trop longtemps?

Qu'elle était le prix de cette superbe voiture?

Doonc pour rejoindre le post Vw va etre aussi surement dans le coup avec la Corrado et les super Westfalia.