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Toyota a peur...
... de Hyundai! C'est une obsession.
En résumé:
Toyota to suppliers: don't sell to Hyundai
The Japanese island of Kyushu has become known as "Car Island" due to the influx of not only assembly plants, but also plants run by various car parts suppliers of the Japanese domestic manufacturers. In fact, 30 percent of all suppliers shacked up on Kyushu are affiliated with Toyota.
Kyushu happens to be close to the southeastern part of South Korea where Hyundai and other automakers manufacture about 1.65 million cars per years. Hyundai is beginning to use Toyota-affiliated parts suppliers from the Kyushu region, which the Japanese juggernaut sees as a growing threat from an aggressive competitor.
Toyota gets particularly miffed when suppliers sell parts that it helped jointly develop to other companies like Hyundai. In the past it let the transgression slide for competitors such as Honda and Mitsubishi because the practice resulted in lower prices on parts for Toyota itself. Apparently Toyota's would be willing to give up the discount if it means making life a littler harder for Hyundai.
Toyota no longer sees General Motors as its biggest competition, but rather the South Korean company that could. As such, Toyota is considering asking its parts suppliers not to sell to Hyundai and may resort to raising its stake in these companies in order to force them to do so.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/17/t...ll-to-hyundai/
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"Don't Sell Parts to Hyundai" Toyota Leader's Shocking Words
An increasing number of car parts makers are moving into Kyushu, the westernmost main island of Japan. It is certain that they are looking at South Korea and China as their promising future markets by posting themselves in the area that is geographically closer to those countries than most of other places in Japan. South Korea's Hyundai Motor Co., which is growing rapidly, is especially targeted at. Toyota, however, appears to be uneasy about this trend. It might order its affiliated parts makers, "Don't sell parts to Hyundai."
Mazda's Hofu plant in Yamaguchi Prefecture, western Japan. Plants in Kyushu area is the gateway to the Asian Continent.
Japan's auto industry has been converging on Kyushu increasingly in recent years, and it could be said that Kyushu is now a "Car Island." Daihatsu Motor Co., Ltd., maker of light and compact cars, has a new plant in Oita Prefecture on the island, that started full-scale operation last year, raising its auto production in the area to 500,000 units in fiscal 2005, or roughly 10% of the total production in the country. Toyota has started to increase the production capacity of its Kyushu plant in Fukuoka Prefecture. Adding together with the Kyushu plant of Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., which has a production capacity of 500,000 units, and Bofu plant of Mazda Motor Corp., it is considered certain that the production gets closer to 2 million units a year in the near futures.
The area is geographically close also to south-eastern part of South Korea, where Hyundai and other carmakers of that country have their main production plants manufacturing some 1.65 million cars.
Toyota Would Face Trouble if its Affiliated Parts Makers Supply to Hyundai
Kyushu's development to a "Car Island" spurred the increased moving into the area of parts makers also. Denso Corp., Japan's top electric and electronic parts maker, has invested 20 billion yen for the construction of a engine parts plant in Kitakyushu, which will start producing fuel injection devices by the end of this year. A total of more than 50 auto parts companies have advanced so far into Kyushu since 2000. Of the parts makers affiliated with or cooperating with Toyota, those advanced into Kyushu account for about 30%. As the auto production increase will be accelerated in the future, people in the car industry have the view in common that the number of Toyota-affiliated firms in the area will rise.
The Toyota-affiliated parts makers expanding into the Kyushu area are looking at the possibility of supplying to Hyundai as a matter of course. This, however, create a problem for Toyota.
Toyota studies cars of the world by disassembling them to all pieces. Hyundai is rapidly gaining high reputation for the durability, advanced utilization of electronics and design of its cars. Its cars are also relatively cheaper for the performance. It has been found of late that Hyundai suddenly expanded the use of Toyota-affiliated parts makers as its suppliers in recent years while it did not do so in the past. It has been said in the past that Hyundai had its own parts suppliers.
"Maybe Toyota Should Raise Stockholdings of Affiliates"
It could be said that major car parts are developed jointly by carmakers and their affiliates. So, "It's like fattening a rival company at Toyota's own development expenses," says Toyota official. Some Toyota executives said, "We may have to pressure (the parts makers) not to do business with Hyundai. It may sound extremely drastic, but we may have to think of raising the stockholdings of our affiliates to make them do as we tell them."
There is a reason for Toyota to be so obsessive about Hyundai. Toyota's biggest rival used to be General Motors Corp. of the United States. But GM has been suffering from declining sales and it is even rumored now that it may go bankrupt. Toyota could not help being conscious of Benz and Honda, but the two are not so aggressive as they used to be. Some people inside Toyota say, "Our rival is no longer GM. It's Hyundai."
The parts makers rightly have what they want to say, of course. For example, Honda does not have its own affiliated parts makers and procures necessary parts mainly from Toyota-affiliated makers. Such Toyota-affiliated parts makers as Denso and Aisin Seiki Co., Ltd. have been supplying parts to Honda and Mitsubishi Motors Corp. As a result, production costs for the parts went down, consequently making it possible for Toyota to buy parts at lower prices. There was an indication that Toyota was encouraging its affiliated parts makers to sell their products to other automakers also. "There was at least a time when we were told to sell as much parts as possible to other carmakers, except for Nissan," one of the Toyota-affiliated companies said.
The tug-of-war between Toyota and its parts makers and other supplies seems to last for some while to come.
http://www.jinbn.com/2006/06/16211758.html
La preuve que Hyundai est rendu au niveau de Toyota et de Honda en terme de qualité de produit.
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oui , hyundai se raproche de toyota , mais avec les fabricants de pieces de toyota .Envoyé par PatB
etre a la place de toy , je réagirais de la meme facon , sois d'interdire a mes founisseur/filliale de vendre a la concurence direct . parceque se faire batre par l'adversaire avec nos propres armes "pieces" c'est jamais plaisant .
je ne epnse pas que toyota bat GM avec les pieces de GM
Tu pourrais être surpris...je ne epnse pas que toyota bat GM avec les pieces de GM
Je sais que Waterville TG fournit des joints d'étanchéité de portières à Toyota et à GM...
Pis la Toyota Sienna est plus américaine qu'une Mustang...
Il y a toujours eu une coopération entre GM et Toyota
Chev Nova & Toyoya Corolla dans les année 80
Pontiac vibe & Toyota Matrix
Les coréenne par contre vienne chopper les prix. GM pense a aller en Chine (Cherry) mais il sont en Corée avec les ex-Dawoo. Marge de profit élevé sur faibles volume ventes est très rentable
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Dites pas Toyota et GM dans la meme phrase, ca pourrait froiser des gens
Plus serieusement, je savais pas qu'on pouvait se garder le monopole des distributeurs de pieces. J'en apprend une bonne.
La gomme au savon, c'est pas mangeable ca!!!
Ils fournissent aussi Chrysler et Ford!Tu pourrais être surpris...je ne epnse pas que toyota bat GM avec les pieces de GM
Je sais que Waterville TG fournit des joints d'étanchéité de portières à Toyota et à GM...
Le danger pour Toyota, c'est que Hyundai fait presque aussi bien qu'eux et pour moins cher. D'ici trois ans, Hyundai aura rattrappé Toyota au point de vue de la qualité, selon moi, au train où vont les choses.
C'est clair qu'à la vue des derniers modèles de Hyundai (Sonata, Azera) et la prochaine Elantra, Toyota est visée.
ont voit plein de toyota de 300 000km et meme 400 000km sur la route.
Pas certain qu'une elantra peut se tapper 300 000km....
Me semble de dire que la qualité de Hyundai est presque au meme niveau que toyota...chus surpris!!
On voit plein de Ford et Chrysler qui ont 300 000 km et on dit que la qualité est mauvaise.
La gomme au savon, c'est pas mangeable ca!!!
Moi je me dit que si la qualité coréenne est de plus en plus relevée pour se rapprocher des japonaises, ça va un jour ou l'autre se refléter sur les prix. À ce moment, Hyundai va perdre cet avantage d'offrir du similaire avec équipements plus généreux à moindre prix.
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